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Test: HTML LI element in a UL with a sub UL (posinset)

Current support: supported with 7 unknown results

This test ensures that the number of items in a list are being computed correctly when there is a sub-list.

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<!DOCTYPE html>
<html lang="en">
    <title>HTML LI element in UL with sub UL</title>
    <p>Use the screen reader to announce the target element.</p>
       <li id="target">
               <li>Sub UL list item 1</li>
               <li>Sub UL list item 2</li>
            Parent UL list item 2
            Parent UL list item 3

Support tables

Expectations are conditions that must be met for the feature to be considered as "supported". Only "MUST" expectations need to be met for minimal "support". "SHOULD" and "MAY" expectations indicates support that goes above and beyond. Note that there is not an explicit standard that dictates these expectations, and as such, they are likely opinionated. As such, a feature might not meet all "MUST" expectations but still be usable (potentially frustratingly so). Additionally, the assistive technology may provide many different commands to read, navigate, or otherwise interact with a feature. Only one command is required to pass for the expectation to be minimally supported.

Summary of support by expectation type

supported with 7 unknown results

Summary of support by expectation and assistive technology

ExpectationDragon Naturally SpeakingJAWSNarratorNVDATalkBackVoiceOver for iOSVoiceOver for macOS
li element
MUST convey the position of the current list item in the setnot applicableunknownunknownsupported with 1 unknown resultunknownunknownsupported

* means that some support is hidden behind settings

Detailed support results by expectation

li element: The screen reader MUST convey the position of the current list item in the set

Rationale: A screen reader user needs to know their position in a list.

Examples of assistive technologies support this expectation:

  • When in an ordered list context, the role might be conveyed with the position of the list item (1, 2, 3, etc.).
  • When in an unordered list context, the role might be conveyed by the word "bullet" or information about the position of the item in the list.
  • The position of the first item in the list might be implied by the first announcement of list semantics.

Grading method: Just one of the listed commands must pass for the expectation to pass.

This expectation is from the li element feature.

ATBrowserHas SupportOutputAction
Dragon Naturally SpeakingGoogle Chromenot applicable-More information
JAWSGoogle Chromeunknown-More information
JAWSInternet Explorerunknown-More information
JAWSFirefox (desktop)unknown-More information
NarratorMicrosoft Edgeunknown-More information
NVDAGoogle Chromeunknown-More information
NVDAFirefox (desktop)yes
  • Result: (pass)
    • command: down arrow (Read next item)
    • Output: List with three items. Bullet Target.
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TalkBackGoogle Chrome (android)unknown-More information
VoiceOver for iOSSafari (iOS)unknown-More information
VoiceOver for macOSSafari (macOS)yes
  • Result: (pass)
    • command: VO + Right arrow (Read next item)
    • Output: Target 1 of 3
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Extended Support for: li element: The screen reader MUST convey the position of the current list item in the set

These are less common combinations

ATBrowserHas SupportOutputAction
Dragon Naturally SpeakingInternet Explorernot applicable-More information
Dragon Naturally SpeakingFirefox (desktop)not applicable-More information
JAWSMicrosoft Edgeunknown-More information
NarratorFirefox (desktop)unknown-More information
NarratorGoogle Chromeunknown-More information
NarratorInternet Explorerunknown-More information
NVDAInternet Explorerunknown-More information
NVDAMicrosoft Edgeunknown-More information
TalkBackFirefox (Android)unknown-More information
VoiceOver for iOSGoogle Chrome (ios)unknown-More information
VoiceOver for macOSGoogle Chromeunknown-More information
VoiceOver for macOSFirefox (desktop)unknown-More information
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Dates and Versions

ATAT VersionBrowserBrowser versionOS versionDate tested
NVDA2018.3.2Firefox (desktop)62177632018-10-19
VoiceOver for macOS10.14Safari (macOS)1210.142018-10-19


  • 2018-10-19 Test created